Killing Dieties

I remember when Dieties and Demigods with the Cthulhu and Melnibone and other copyright violation mythologies were in it. Players and DM’s alike got the idea that if something has stats, it can be killed. I see the stats as a way to indicate the “avatar” of a divinity’s capabilities are. The “avatar” might be “killed”, but the divinity can’t be. For example, a god of magic could cast an illusion of his death. If the players fail their saves and believe it, how would they ever know? If they did figure it out, how would they ever get another chance?

One should be very careful playing at battling/confronting deities. They have countless minions of minute to great power to throw at you. How many saving throws will your +5 Holy Avenger make when it sees the test of battle with a host of evil? If it shatters, can it be remade? If not, is there another one somewhere in the world? Unless you are in a Monty Haul campaign, you won’t have +5 weapons and armor and lots of artifacts to rage against the gods.

I don’t like the idea that a deity can be killed. Players would be messing with the fabric of the universe. Even though we all had grand ideas of getting tough enough to go kill Tiamat, etc. it would be very difficult to do so and would have some sort of repercussions in the fabric of space and time, or tip the scales drastically in good vs. evil or law vs. chaos. If it were possible to kill a deity, make it very difficult, not just to kill the deity, but to get past all their minions. How many huge ancient red dragons can you beat by yourself? Of how many balrogs can you fight by yourself? If it is possible to kill an evil deity, it should be possible to kill a good one. What about an NPC party of powerful evil characters going to kill the head of the pantheon? What’s to stop them from doing that?

Can a wish bind a deity? In Greek mythology, the titans were displaced, but were not truly dead and defeated, there is the far off future when they might rise again. If they are “killed”, how long do they stay dead? Just as a PC can be raised, why not a deity. If they can be killed, then they can be raised.

If you are going to have your deities playing chess with players and other creatures as pawns, a la ancient Greek mythology, then perhaps you want to have a god-killer option, but be sure it makes sense and is consistent. Make it very hard for your players to learn of such a thing and put them through great trials were the dice that come up death to a character means a character dies and may not be able to be raised. Then go against the god(s).

 

R.I.P Dave Trampier

As is all over the RPG blogosphere today, we lost another of the greats from the early days of D&D.

He was one of my favorite artists. I like nearly all of Trampier’s art. Emirikol the Chaotic is one of my favorites.

Like so many others, I was disappointed the Wormy ended mid-story. He definitely left us all wanting more.

Castle Perilous Game & Books has this article about his plans to return to his art and make a convention appearance.

If his executor’s are paying attention, I would pay for a Wormy collection and a DM screen.

Divine Intervention

As I watched “Jason and the Argonauts”, which is taken straight from Greek mythology, I thought about how much divine intervention there was.

The ancient Greek divinities were nothing more than super powerful beings exhibiting the traits of human kind to an exaggerated degree. They meddled in human affairs, played favorites in their schemes against other divinities, demanded respect and sacrifice from humans, and judged humans for the same acts they themselves performed. I’m not going into any theological or literary analysis here, since this is an RPG blog. I’m just looking at the game mechanics of it.

If you have a game where players get a lot of divine intervention, the examples of Greek mythology are one example. I am not as familiar with other mythologies and their acts of divine intervention, so I will use them as the extreme example on one end of the spectrum.

The Greeks had oracles in locations all over the shores and islands of the Aegean Sea. The locations of the oracles where also often the site of temples to specific deities. There were shrines and temples all over. The biggest temple in a city was for the patron deity of the city. Of course, that model is each city being a city-state with a city controlling a surrounding territory. They had all kinds of different forms of governments from monarchies to democracies, with oligarchies and dictators among them.

They had nature spirits, like nyads and dryads, demi-gods like Herakles, and a full pantheon with a king and queen of the gods and gods for every purpose. There are even the titans, the old gods, overthrown and replaced by the current ones.

The myths are full of stories of everyday people who do some affront to a god and are punished for it, or are one some great quest or series of quests from the gods, or agents of the gods. From the myths, it seems that a rules system like that would make it relatively easy to get the gods involved. Insulting the gods seems to be the best way to get their attention.

Some other RPG setting would have a middle of the road mythology where the ability to draw the positive or negative attention of the gods is indeed rare. Some games this might be limiting clerics to gaining their spells, even though AD&D 1st edition says that 6th or 7th level spells are granted directly by the cleric’s diety, assuming they are in good standing.

I have read of other RPG settings where the campaign has little or no contact from the gods and few to no real clerics. To me, this is a little too far for my taste. How about magic in such a situation? Is it more or less powerful? Does it take the place of the gods?

Personally, I don’t feel comfortable doing too much work on a religious system for my campaign setting(s). I don’t like using real mythologies for divinities. I can see skinning a real world mythology and changing the names to speed things up, or making a few main divinities for weather, harvest, sea, death, magic, etc.

In my brother, Robert’s campaign, he has a diety called, The Justice Maker. There are no temples to him, at least non that we have ever encountered. He is true neutral and holds the scales of judgement. One time a player was in trouble and yelled, “Help me, anybody.” and rolled something like 01 out of 100, and “fortunately” got The Justice Maker, who in return for his aid, required a service that had to be done within the bounds of one’s alignment or have it shifted. My character, a cleric to a different diety, somehow got sucked into helping with that quest. Robert is quite the artist and he made a painting of The Justice Maker. He is a figure with a faceless helmet, with a billowing cloak about him, and in his hand is a point-down sword where the hilt functions as the beam to the scales of justice. My words can’t do the painting justice, ugh sorry for the pun.

My character once got divine intervention from his diety to help make a crystal ball, but had to trade most of his magic items, build a temple, and do another great service. That was expensive in magic, treasure, time, and risk.

The same character later sought intervention again, but there is some table weighted by how often or recently we last had aid. Robert always hams it up, and says, “Diety’s hotline, how may I help you?” Or he says there is a busy signal, or no signal, or you get somebody else. The somebody else bit can be really bad if you are in alignment deviation territory. Since my fighter/magic-user/cleric has been faithful to his diety, while not getting his diety, got a demi-god assistant, who is now Griswald’s patron.

I believe we have a base 10% chance for divine intervention. Doing really great deeds that further the cause of law or good or the main bent of our deity helps as do actions that directly help the diety’s aims. It is not as divine intervention heavy as Greek mythology conveys, but there is a back story of good vs. evil on an epic level. Sometimes the characters get a glimpse of that, and take part. For example, Griswald has Orcus mad at him for desecrating a temple to Orcus. As a hero type, Griswald has made a lot of enemies among the really nasty types, and due to politics among the not so bad types has some of them for enemies too.

 

Ray Harryhausen Skeletons

I watched “Jason and the Argonauts” over the weekend. I made note that the skeletons were hard to kill. I had edged versus blunt weapons in the back of my mind as I watched the three men battle seven skeletons.

I can see how this would have influence Gary Gygax in his description of skeletons.

I wondered that since these were from hydra teeth if there were more than just mere animated dead, but somehow required a magic weapon to hit or something. I noticed that at least one had the skull knocked off and it appeared to go down, but it was not shown as staying down or not.

This gives me an idea for a twist on skeletons that may or may not be combined with a hydra’s teeth. I am not sure I will ever get to use such an idea, but it sounds like fun!

Rule of 9’s

Way back when I was a volunteer firefighter/EMT.

During EMT training we learned about the “Rule of 9’s” that is used for estimating the percentage of body area that is burned. For an adult, the head is 9% each arm is 9%, the front of the torso is 18% and that back 18%, each leg is 18% and finally, the groin is 1%. One of my classmates said, “Nuh-uh! That’s 100%!!”.

I have wondered what utility this could be for use in RPG’s. It could be used for surface area hit by burning oil, acid, dragon breath, etc. However, would it be useful in to hit tables? I don’t want a totally realistic combat system, that would take forever for a single one on one fight.

I can see it used for a critical hits/fumbles table. I am not a math whiz and the best at designing such things, but it is an idea I wanted to write down for future exploration, and to get the idea out there in case someone else might be interested.

D’OH!! Why didn’t I think of that?

I have been playing D&D since April of 1978.

Over the weekend I ran across a comment on a video that made a comment that  is so common sense that I took it as a critical fail vs. the clue stick.

It is so OBVIOUS! Why did I not think of that or have read it somewhere in the early days or have other players and DMs suggest it to me?

For spell casters on their character sheets next to the name of the spell(s) they have selected for the day, write the _PAGE NUMBER_ of the spell in the Player’s Handbook.

How simple is that? It saves having to make copies of the spells, write them out long hand, etc.

As a DM, I really should do this for NPCs. I should also note the page in the DMG that lists the DM’s notes on specific spells.

I don’t recall seeing any character sheets that suggest the page number of the spell.

I would also add a note to page of the “original” spell if it says, “This is the same as the Nth level Cleric spell….”

I’m going to have to make a spreadsheet of the spell lists for each class and level, and the page in the Player’s Handbook, Unearthed Arcana, Oriental Adventures, and the page in the DMG for the DM notes on PH spells, and notes/links to spells that are the “original”. This would be a handy index to have in print for players.

I think it is a good idea to make a note of the pages you use most, a custom index, to speed any need for reference to rules. For example, for player generation, note the pages in the DMG for secondary skill, height and weight.

For the DM, note the page in the Monster Manual for monsters in case you need more detail than the stat block. This would be better used when building an encounter deck or placing creatures in a location, but would be handy for a quick review of a creature the characters have not yet encountered, to make sure you don’t miss anything. For example, I read on a forum a few weeks back where some characters encountered a clay golem and the DM did not take note of the damage done being only healed by a 17th or higher level cleric. That would be an interesting side quest. Beat the golem, but have to find super cleric to heal you. A tenth level character stuck at 5 hit points would be interesting.

Now, to be fair, in the old days, for my spell casting characters, I went to the library and copied the pages with the spells and for magic-users, basically made a spell book via cut & paste/tape, so I had all the information in one place. Ten cents a copy back then was a lot of money, but I poured a lot more quarters into pong, space invaders, galaga, centipede, etc. When I didn’t have the money, I wrote out spell information in longhand.

The availability of rules books in PDF makes search easy, but not everyone can run a computer or tablet at the game table.

OSR Superstar Initial Results Posted

Instead of the 16 who made the cut to round two, Tenkar has posted the seven who appear on two of the judges’ lists of 16 for each judge. Thirty-four more entries will be listed later. I believe he means tonight.

I did not make the list of seven, but perhaps one of my three entries made it to the other thirty-four.

If I don’t make the list, I will post the three items I submitted, and the creature I designed in anticipation.

I will then focus on wrapping up my A to Z blog posts, and then work on a submission for the One Page Dungeon Contest.

Ramblings of an Old Gamer