Tag Archives: G+

G+ the End And Google’s Still making Changes

Today marks the final two days of G+ as Google says it will pull the plug April 2nd.

What is odd, is that a couple weeks ago, G+ took away the bell icon or notifications, and added a new notifications feature.

A couple days ago, the G+ phone app was updated. Why update it so near the end?

Why not issue the final uninstall command on April 2nd?

I hope I get all the disk space freed up on my cellphone. They better clean it up so I don’t have to root it to do so….

G+ has been great for RPGs and especially the OSR.

The new emphasis on blogs is a good one. There are a few places to find listings of OSR blogs, and many of us have increased the size of our blog rolls.

No single site has arisen to meet the needs of all the various G+ users in the RPG space.

There are many choices:

  • Some like Facebook, and an equal number despise it and refuse to use it.
  • Reddit has attracted some, and some like me, don’t quite get Reddit’s flow, and are trying to figure it out.
  • Twitter has a strong RPG and OSR presence, and those of us who curate and promote a positive circle of people find it a welcoming place.
  • MeWe initially attracted a lot of the G+ crowd. I like some of its features. I describe its layout as a cross between G+ and Facebook. Some refuse to have anything to do with MeWe because some people who advocate bad things use it. Unfortunately, the same could be said for any social media site. don’t use technology because bad people use it. Don’t use fire because bad people use it. Just because some misuse a tool doesn’t make the tool bad. I find the MeWe is growing and I get a new group invite every week. I don’t have time to keep up with the groups I follow now, so I’ve been declining those invites. MeWe just recently added the ability to import one’s G+ profile.
  • PASHPost is a new option. I just learned of it this past week and set up a page there. It has some features that I and many others liked about G+ but the ability to find and follow users is in need of more work. It is changing rapidly making way for the influx of G+ refugees. Supposedly the ability to import a G+ profile is in the works, but the advice is to download it now, and maybe upload it to PASHPost later.
  • Other. There are many other options that I have not had time to explore or not felt drawn to explore, like the fediverse things like Mastodon. I’m sure there are a few more options.

TOOLS

G+ Exporter published their last update today and said, download it all to your PC now while you can. If you haven’t yet started and don’t want to spend $20 on G+ Exporter, go to the Google Takeout option before March 31 to be sure there is time to get your files, as it can take a couple days for the data to be available.

Breadcrumbs

Edward Morbius of the G+ Mass Migration Community also had an effort to migrate the home pages of the top 100,000 G+ communities’ home pages to the Internet Archive. You can see an example here.

Lots of people pinned a post on their G+ and on other sites listing all their other social media. The site wheretofind.me lets users make a list of all the online site where they can be found. You can see an example of mine here and below.

The Last Gasp

Many, including me, are still posting to G+. I said I’d go down with the ship, and I meant it. As long as this effort still gets my efforts to the eyes of others, it’s worth it.

James West’s image that I used for the image for this post says it all. I particularly like his latest post to use this image:

The last initiative has been cast. Actions are simultaneous. The deathblow is dealt… what is your last action?


Final Frustrations

Last weekend I finally finished converting G+ links to Internet Archive links. Unfortunately, several people just deleted their G+ pages before I could get to it. I made a note that the source I linked to is lost to the ages since the page was deleted before it was archived. So many great conversations. The biggest frustration in that was that I had to do all this manually.

I posted a few weeks ago an SQL statement to help identify G+ links in one’s posts, but it did not capture all of them. Even those identified, I had to manually archive on the Internet Archive and then replace the G+ links on my blog with the new Internet Archive links. I hope I found them all. In the end, I had to cycle through all the articles on my blog looking to G+ links. All the backups of each post and auto backups made too many records to automate. I just didn’t have time to decipher which records were the current post.

Moving forward, I will have to make an internet Archive backup of all links on my blog. I also need a plan for archiving all of my blog there, so when I’m gone. If there’s anything anyone finds interesting, perhaps only my descendants will.

My follower count on G+ was moving upward and was on track to hit 600 by the end of 2018, but topped out at 406 in November, 2018 and then dropped down to 398, went up to 402, dropped to 399 and stopped at 401. I too followed a few people on G+ at the end. I wanted to show them support, and some followed me back. I think a sociologist could make a career out of studying G+ for building a community and watching how that community faced the inevitable. Whether there’s a complete record of this for any community, I don’t know, but it wouldn’t surprise me to see it.

Lastly, why G+ couldn’t make a read only archive of G+ as it stands on April 2, 2019 is beyond me. Google who wants all the information they can and who saved a famous internet forum by making a read only archive out of it, won’t do the same for G+. Why they are keeping G+ around for business users and wouldn’t let free users convert to a paid model is beyond me. People who would have paid money to keep their G+ were not given the opportunity.

I’d really like an open and honest explanation from G+ about what went on. I suspect that no one at Google really took ownership of G+ and that they built a social media site without really understanding how it needed to work. At least, that’s the way it looked to us who were using it. Their constant inflating of users in the press to save face made it worse. Why did they keep throwing money at it all these years if it was that bad? You’d think all the smart people and especially the bean counters would point out the folly of the sunk cost thinking that kept it alive.

The users in some segments, hobbies and interests, like the OSR, thrived on G+. Google never understood how to capitalize on that. I doubt any new thing Google has will attract those of us burned by the G+ fiasco. We are now much more discerning of how we use our data.

The Mighty Are Fallen

Surprisingly in the waning weeks and month, some big names showed their backsides too prominently, or their coerced allies finally turned on them. While the ones who showed their nonsense are still out there, many, like myself have blocked and ignored them to keep that drama out of their lives. It was really bad this past Fall and once I blocked them on G+, my feed was nothing but gaming and encouragement.

Unfortunately, some of those jerks made life miserable for the creators of the most well-known OSR logo and it was just a mess. I am saddened by how that whole thing ended.

Then a well known OSR contributor, who was obviously a jerk to many with whom he interacted online, finally has his comeuppance when his true colors were revealed. I don’t think all the fallout from that will ever be known. Whether you agree with the resolution of this that removed him from the realm of future RPG creations, you have to admit, he went down much like he relished in taking down others. The lesson here is don’t be a jerk online and you might have more people mourn your absence or stand up to defend you.

Conclusion

We shouldn’t be surprised if any other social media site with a lot of traction among the RPG/OSR crowd fails. Maintaining control of your online presence, such as through a blog ensures a more long lived online presence.

There has been a mini-renaissance among OSR bloggers, myself included. I’m not posting here as often as I would like, but I aim for about once a week. I’m podcasting three times a week and sharing my episodes, RPG publications, and other things via all my social media, as I always have.

The past two or three years have seen the rise of RPGs as a driving force in our culture, especially via online entertainment from television and movies, to YouTube and Twitch. I’ve been playing D&D over 40 years. D&D is 45 years old since its first publication in 1974, and will continue to be played in its current extant versions for decades to come. I know I will play until I can no longer roll the dice. My plan is to play til I grow old & die many decades hence.

As long as I can manage an online presence, you will find me sharing my stories of games past and ideas for various game situations.

I look forward to interacting with all of you.

In the coming weeks, I hope to introduce my granddaughter to RPGs and make her the third generation in my experience with RPGs. I hope I can show her grandchildren how to play.

Good Luck If You Linked To Anything On G+

I have a BA in history, which means I have training on how to do research and cite my sources.

Following along with my training, even RPG blogging, I link back to my sources online.

When writing about RPGs, especially “OSR” topics, I found a lot of great ideas, discussion, and all around inspiration on G+.

It occurred to me a couple of days ago that I should see how many things I linked to on G+ and try to copy those things and add the source to my blog posts, so the information is not lost to the mists of time.

I use an extension on my blog that lets me do a search and replace on things across my entire blog. It has an option to do a “dry run” and for the free version show how many instances of a given phrase it finds before it replaces it.

Great . . . .

I searched for the key part of the URL for G+: plus.google.com.

Here are my results for a few of the tables:

  • Comments – 2
  • Links: 4
  • Posts: 867!

Comments

The comments are from the same person and link back to his G+ page. I copied the long text in the about page and the graphic to a google doc. That was easy!

Links

The links are to the Follow Me, And Die! G+ page. OK, I can screenshot it or something and provide a nostalgia page or something.

The other three are to the Metamorphosis Alpha, the Swords & Wizardry, and Tenkar’s Landing G+ community pages. I can use G+ Exporter to grab those and post to a page or site for historical purposes, but that’s a whole other ball of wax.

Posts

The 867 posts are links in 157 actual posts. Counting this post, I now have 780 posts.

I can go into the database and search for the unique links and go from there.

I’ve got some ideas of how I can hack together a crude solution. I’m not the best script coder, but I plan to do my best to copy what’s on the other end of all these links. But first, just in case, I’m going to grab my favorite G+ discussions that stand out in my mind

Unfortunately, trying to preserve this background history of my RPG life during my time on G+ is going to sidetrack me from other things.

Conclusion

Unlike blogs and websites, there is no archive of all of G+. Google is just going to delete it. It would be really cool if Google and The Internet Archive could work out a deal.

If you have a favorite G+ discussion, get it now — if you can find it.

[UPDATE: I just found that if you use the Evernote web clipper and tell it to use the default option of Article, it will save the entire G+ thread. NOTE: It is literal about what is copied. Be sure to unhide all comments with the view x previous comments link, if any.]

The End of An Era

Click here to listen to the podcast version.

Yesterday Google updated what is going on with the end of G+ and this afternoon, G+ pages started showing a yellow banner labeled: “Your Google+ account is going away on April 2, 2019. Learn more.

I’m saddened by this. They come out and finally state it plainly that all of G+ will be gone. I and others were hoping that they’d just make G+ a read-only archive, like they did when they saved Usenet from the great bitbucket in the sky.

Even though I was a gmail user from the early days of the original beta, I didn’t get onto G+ immediately, but once I learned all the cool information your could find and the interaction one could have with all the other bloggers adn content producers on G+ I was hooked.

I am saddened that some of my favorite interactions and discussions on G+ will be lost.

This has caused me to be more regular in blog posting, adn I have plans to do more.

I’m sick of Google giving us something cool, not building or managing it well, then taking it away. If G+ made the kind of money YouTube makes it would be here as long as Google.

I just recently found a cool browser add on for sending website information to Google Keep. I guess I need to send all that data to a google doc and download it.

I’m a technophile and I will continue to use technology. I’m not jumping into anymore cool betas from Google or anyone else for that matter. I plan to find the tools that will let me do what I need to do online and stick with them.

I bought the G+ Exporter program for $20 and have backed up most of the communities I am a member of. It isn’t current as Google started the cat and mouse of blocking them. I did download the Holmes Basic community and made it available to Zach of Zenopus Archives. I’ll do the same for any other G+ Community I’m a member of.

I used it to pull down my own online groups for my old Metamorphosis Alpha campaign, and my AD&D game on Roll20, and the Wed Night AD&D Game and Sunday morning AD&D game.

G+ had some very nice features, it’s a shame Google didn’t do social networking well and lied to themselves as much or more as they lied to others.

There are lots of efforts to keep gamers in touch. Some went to FB, others to Discord, some to various other federated platforms, and a bunch went to MeWe. I’m getting tired of how busy MeWe the MeWe page is. I’m active on Twitter, Discord, MeWe, and a bit on FB, and now I’m trying to do more with Reddit.

I know that whatever I do, I need to keep my content under my control as much as possible, I need to do the backups, and I need to promote my content to the places of my choice. I’m still posting on G+. I originally said that I’d be posting til the lights go out. I’m not so sure now, but there are a few still on G+ also posting, so I guess I’ll keep it up. I’m about ready to pare back what I’m involved in on MeWe and reduce the number of Discord servers I’m on. I even have an unused Discord for my Patrons.

I need more focus to produce content and make it look presentable.

G+ was fun while it lasted, in spite of the occasionaly dumpster fire. Nothing shuts up the idiots, so block and ignore made my G+ feed pleasant. I pro-actively blocked those people on MeWe.

If anything changes about my online interactions, I’ll be sure to get the word out.

Google’s January 30th Update

Shutting down Google+ for consumer (personal) accounts on April 2, 2019
January 30, 2019

In December 2018, we announced our decision to shut down Google+ for consumers in April 2019 due to low usage and challenges involved in maintaining a successful product that meets consumers’ expectations. We want to thank you for being part of Google+ and provide next steps, including how to download your photos and other content.

On April 2nd, your Google+ account and any Google+ pages you created will be shut down and we will begin deleting content from consumer Google+ accounts. Photos and videos from Google+ in your Album Archive and your Google+ pages will also be deleted. You can download and save your content, just make sure to do so before April. Note that photos and videos backed up in Google Photos will not be deleted.

The process of deleting content from consumer Google+ accounts, Google+ Pages, and Album Archive will take a few months, and content may remain through this time. For example, users may still see parts of their Google+ account via activity log and some consumer Google+ content may remain visible to G Suite users until consumer Google+ is deleted.

You can read the full statement here:

https://support.google.com/plus/answer/9195133?hl=en&authuser=0

MEWE – Replacement for G+?

With the announcement of the final stages of life support for G+, many users among the OSR have searched for a replacement. Mewe appears to be the front runner. I was calling it mee wee, until someone pointed out it is the Old English spelling of mew. One of the meanings, probably the one intended by the creators, is a place used as a hideout, refuge, or redoubt. Since they display it on their site as MeWe, I did not make the connection to the word mewe, and when it was pointed out, realized I knew this. (facepalm)  [EDIT: Unfortunately, it is Mee Wee….]

Mewe silos groups and users so you can only see what others you are connected to have posted. Some have argued that the presence of one side or the other of the political spectrum is unacceptable. However, one can only see these groups and what they say, if one joins them. Mewe’s CEO is a Libertatian and their site policy prohibits hate speech. So while one may disagree with the politics on this site, those advocating violence are banned. Contract this with Minds that apparently is more skewed to one end of the political spectrum and allows all forms of speech, including hate speech. (I have not had time to look that up yet, but the dearth of those migrating to Minds is telling.)

Before I delve into why Mewe is the current best choice for a replacement to G+, let’s touch on why other options are not a good fit.

Blogroll – I plan to reorganize my blogroll and make it a page on my blog rather than a sidebar. This is only useful for blogs. Blogs are only as good at sharing information if you can find them. Blogs are where the OSR originated and were the strength of the OSR. When G+ came on the scene, it had features that made it easy to create communities around specific games, yet we could all be connected by a common love of all RPGs.

RSS is a feature that made tracking multiple blogs easy to do. When Google, Yahoo, and most other companies dropped built in support for RSS, it hurt. this made G+ even more attractive. While RSS is still available, it is still limited to a handful of blogs one follows, and makes it easy to miss out on something new, unless the blogs you follow happen to mention it.

Facebook is not good for finding content. While you might find a group, the ability to search posts is lacking. Shared files and pinned posts can sometimes in my experience, be difficult to locate. Facebook is also not popular for some as they flat out refuse to use it and have always done so. I am on Facebook to connect with those I wouldn’t otherwise connect with. However, I don’t like the functionality of the interface. I want to be able to find things when I want them. At one point G+ had a really good search feature that was throttled.

Forums & wikis while you can find stuff, you don’t have the community aspect and can’t block someone so you don’t have to interact with them. While some are excellent, some are not so nice. BBSes fall into this category.

Discord is a great option for audio for use with your virtual table top of choice. The chat feature is great in game. It also has a video component, but I have not used it. The problem is that chat is so voluminous, it is like drinking from a fire hose, and this rapid fire option makes it massively impractical for people in other time zones to participate, especially if they are on the other side of the world. The slower pace of conversations on G+ allows latecomers to catch up and even get involved. 

Twitter has a limited character count and while some manage long chain posts, it is not sustainable. Many also complain about the cesspool I find that you can block what you don’t want to see, and one can easily curate a personal group that is positive and uplifting. Still it is not a platform that entices new people. It took me a couple years to buy in to Twitter.

Reddit has been called a dumpster fire by some. The down voting or massive up voting easily hides good content from view. Reddit seems more geared towards asking a question if you want answers, or sharing how you did something. In my experience, it is not conducive to constructive discussions. I’m not sure what ability to block people there are.

Diaspora and Pluspora which is built using Diaspora are a clone of G+, but not many have gone there. Some have said that the functionality and stability is not there.

Mastodon is another G+ alternative that many have advocated in the last couple of years. Some say it is great. It has some benefits, but has not captured the attention of the majority.

Stan Shinn posted on G+ that with his experience managing large software projects, he was interested in what others wanted in a replacement for G+. More of an exploratory post. I and many other gave their input on what they’d like to see in a G+ replacement. Basically, we want the good parts of G+, including those things G+ took away from it or broke the functionality they once had.  This is what all G+ users want, whether they are  in the RPG crowd or not. Stan indicated it would not be a from scratch endeavor, but use an existing package. Mention of a Kickstarter to fund it and whether or not it is for profit or non profit are up in the air. There would be a need for programmers, admins to handle the site, and a lawyer to handle all the legal stuff.

The biggest reason Mewe is the front runner at the moment, is the sheer number of G+ users who signed up for me in the past two days. That momentum got the attention of the EVP Product Director.

To me, Mewe is laid out on the screen like Facebook, but the posting and group options remind me of G+. The chat option available to each group reminds me of Discord. Mewe requires each person to be connected like with Facebook, unlike G+ where you can follow someone without them also following you. You can’t see a group’s description until you join it. Some don’t like that. Mewe also has strong blocking functionality, so if a user is banned from a group or you block someone, they can’t see your stuff.

Mewe is free for general use. Up to 8 GB of space is available for images and other files. You can easily see how much space you have used. I recommend hosting images elsewhere and linking them to Mewe if you are an artist. The fees for more than 8 GB seem in line with other services with free disk space at general levels. 

Today, Jason Hardy, the EVP Product Director of Mewe jumped into the group chat of The Great G+ RPG Exodus group to find out why so many new users appear. That group has about 500 members at the time. Jason was gracious and forthcoming about many of the concerns and features we had in G+ that we’d like to see.

The end result is that we learned upcoming features that are in the works independent of the G+ announcement yesterday. The following was copied from what a user shared to their page from what was mentioned in chat c. 2:30 PM EDT today. 

  • Pages appear to be coming soon
  • Public posting will be around in November-ish
  • Video chat will be Q1/Q2 of 2019 

In the chat we also noted some nice to haves that may or may not have been added to their roadmap:

  • Attribution on shares
  • Grouping of contacts aka “Circles”
  • They’re looking into chat based dice rolling (Jason didn’t know what a dice roller was and asked for examples.)

My biggest concern about ensuring this doesn’t become a place information goes to die is answered by Pages and Public posting. Right now, all posts are private. If others can’t see what your group is about and a sample of what goes on their, why would they want to join? 

Another concern is the paucity of non-male games. We want all who enjoy games to feel welcome. It is on us men to do a better job of ensuring women feel comfortable. Some of our brothers at the table require additional coaching on manners and socially acceptable behavior, even if it is online. 

I posted a question asking for comment on why users there don’t want to use FB as a G+ replacement. Here are some of the replies:

  • FB is a horrible platform that exploits users 
  • Facebook are extremely careless with their user data and do their best to make money by selling information on their users, which is seldom in the interests of their users.
  • Facebook works in an unknown way. What ends up in your timeline is decided by calculations no one understands that have tons of negative effects: you miss stuff, some opinions are under-represented, other are over-represented, post that make you react quickly are favoured over posts that require reading and understanding…
  • It’s simple, FB I use for people I actually know – friends and family. There’s no way to segregate interests from the stream of content my friends and family generate, and they surely don’t want to see my gaming BS.
  • There’s too much hate and drama on both Facebook and Twitter. Whenever my wife or family members are on FB, they constantly bitch about someone or other. It  is a volatile and toxic place. Plus, I don’t want to be bothered by people who don’t share my interests. Here I can select what and who I’m surrounded by. Politics, religious views, and hate speech have no place in my hobbies.
  • Yeah— on Facebook, you get contact requests from people you know but don’t necessarily want to hang out with, and it would be rude to deny that you know them. There’s no such expectation on any other social network.

Matt Finch posted on G+ and Facebook that he is coordinating a panel discussion on YouTube to discuss the future of the OSR without G+. Some have hoped it means a return to the glory days of blogging before G+. I’m not sure that will happen. I rushed this article a bit as I wanted it out there for consideration before this panel occurs. These are my quick observations and if Mewe comes through with the plans their EVP Product Director shared, then my main concerns regarding functionality will be resolved.

You can find me on Mewe here.

Update: [October 10, 2018] The founder of Mewe answered some questions about the direction of Mewe on a G+ thread here.

Update: [October 10, 2018] Matt Finch hosted a Panel talking about the OSR response to the G+ shutdown announcement. I was one of the panelists.